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We sometimes forget that the most sophisticated carbon sequestration infrastructures in the world are thousands of years old! Reforestation may reduce fossil fuel emissions, but replanting monocultures won’t solve the problem. Our ecosystems are ancient, complex and not easily replaced. What are some of the oldest and newest techniques around for protecting and regenerating our planet’s biodiversity? 


Mary, Maeve & Thimali talk to Mina Susana Setra in Jakarta, Indonesia, and Jane Zelikova in Colorado, USA, in this week’s episode. We learn what it takes to preserve indigenous jurisdiction over forests, and how to nurture our soils back to good health.

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Mina Susana Setra 

Deputy to Secretary General of AMAN for Social and Cultural Affairs at the The Indigenous Peoples' Alliance of The Archipelagos (AMAN)

Jakarta, Indonesia

Mina Susana Setra is indigenous Dayak Pompakng from West Kalimantan, Indonesia. She is the Secretary General of Social and Cultural Affairs at the The Indigenous Peoples' Alliance of The Archipelagos (AMAN).  During her time as Deputy on Advocacy, Law and Political Affairs at AMAN, Mina was instrumental in winning the Constitutional Court Ruling No.35/2012 on Customary Forests as not state-forest. Since 1999, she has worked on indigenous, environment, and climate policy on a local and international level at AMAN which serves and protects the interests of over 2,000 indigenous communities. 

Support Mina 

By staying up to date on AMAN’s news on their website and try to stop the use of products containing palm oil. 

Follow AMAN

Twitter: @RumahAMAN

Follow Mina

Twitter: @minasetra2

Facebook: @mina.setra

Learn more about Mina

By watching her speech at the Geography of Learning summit


Dr. Jane Zelikova 

Chief scientist at Carbon180, co-founder of 500 Women Scientists and Hey Girl Productions

Colorado, U.S.A

Dr Jane Zelikova works at the intersection of science and policy. She is the chief scientist at Carbon180, a non-profit on a mission to fundamentally rethink carbon and is also a researcher at University of Wyoming. Jane is also the co-founder of 500 Women Scientists, a global grassroots organisation with the mission to make science open, inclusive, and accessible and to fight racism, patriarchy, and oppressive societal norms.


In 2015, Jane co-founded Hey Girl Productions, a production company with the mission to bring a scientific eye to creative media projects. Hey Girl co-produced several films, including the award-winning The End of Snow.

Support Jane

Staying up to date on her news via her website and supporting the Fellowship for the Future on

Follow Jane

Twitter: @j_zelikova

Learn more about Jane:

Watch her video on why soil carbon measurement is so tricky here and read up on her publications here. 

Episode Credits

Mothers of Invention is brought to you by Vulcan Productions and Doc Society. 

Executive producers: Jody Allen, Ruth Johnston, Matt Milios as well as Jess Search & Beadie Finzi.

For Doc Society:

Series producer: Thimali Kodikara

Development producer and Studio Director: Shanida Scotland

Line producer: Rebecca Lucy Mills 

Editor: Sefa Nkyi

Sound designer: Alexis Adimora

Audio Engineer: Lisa Hack 

Social Media Manager: Imriel Morgan for Content Is Queen

Project Coordinator: Aisha Younis

Theme Tune composed by Jamie Perera

Mina was recorded at V radio, Jakarta, Indonesia with the help of Lia Christie


Special thanks to Anton Alifandi 

For Vulcan Productions:

Associate Producers:  Andrea Dramer and Susan Grella

Production Manager: Kimberly Nyhous

Senior Director for Strategy, Engagement and Impact: Ted Richane

Impact Producer: Alex Pearson

 We are very proudly distributed by PRX.

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